I AM a little conflicted about Mepis.
It is part of the family of Debian-based Linux distributions which I tend to favour, and it is a distribution I used for quite a lengthy period in the past.
Plus, there is much to like about version 8.0, released recently to coincide with the launch of its parent distribution, Debian 5.0 'Lenny'.
Mepis (http://www.mepis.org/) uses the stable and vast Debian Lenny repository of more than 23,000 packages, so you know that your Mepis system is going to be reliable and will have a tool for every PC task imaginable.
Mepis 8.0 is also much nicer looking than previous versions - the inky/liquid metal desktop, dark blue window themes and contemporary white-silhoutte logo are very nice and very welcome.
Finally, the Mepis community (http://mepislovers.org/forums/index.php) is one of the friendliest, most helpful around and, in Warren Woodford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Woodford), the distribution has a highly - and justly - respected leader.
So why am I conflicted? Well, the (red) devil is in the detail. Let me walk you quickly through my installation and subsequent usage and perhaps you'll see the source of my concerns.
For this review I was using an admittedly old, under-powered machine: a Compaq Presario with a 700MHz Duron processor, 512MB of RAM, 10GB HDD and a Sitecom WL113 wireless NIC (using the zd1211 chipset), all hooked up to a Compaq 17inch CRT (incidentally, this pin-sharp old monitor puts my more modern LCD displays to shame).
I had some obvious reservations that Mepis, which uses KDE 3.5.10, might be too sluggish on the old girl, but those fears actually proved to be unfounded and, anyway, I'm fairly sure the problems I encountered had little to do with my hardware, so to speak.
Mepis 8.0 comes in live CD format (http://www.mepis.org/mirrors) which, given that I only have USB wi-fi networking on this old machine, proved crucial in helping me discover if the wireless adaptor would work with Mepis before I bothered with a full install.
It did; the Mepis Network Assistant correctly identified the adaptor and all that was required was my encryption key.
With that happy knowledge in mind, I set about the full install.
Mepis comes with a custom-built installer, accessed through a desktop link, which hasn't really changed much over recent years and, in the past, has shown itself to be reliable and efficient.
So, imagine my surprise when I had repeated problems at the partitioning stage.
First time round, I chose to let Mepis take over the whole 10GB HDD and let it handle the partitioning automatically: It failed to create the partitions.
Second time round, I did the same thing, double-checking that I had selected the correct drive (sda), and got the same result.
Third time round, I ran GParted at the partitioning stage, deleted all the existing partitions and tried the auto-install again, and got the same partitioning failure.
Fourth time round, I ran GParted again and created an 8GB ext3 partition manually, along with a Swap partition, but this time I chose the custom install option and directed root to /mnt/sda1 and Swap to its own partition, and this time the install proceeded without a hitch.
The install after this went pretty much as most do - GRUB to the MBR, choose services, domain, localisation, timezone, user and root admin, reboot.
To my absolute delight I found that, once into my desktop, Mepis had retained the wi-fi details from the live CD, which meant I was immediately online.
As I said earlier, the new look of Mepis is quite lovely and very professional. What's more, there are desktop links to a detailed Mepis User Guide (it lives in /usr/share/mepis-manual) and the Mepis online community, both invaluable resources for new users.
Amusingly, I also had a desktop icon for the Compaq's floppy drive, which tells you how old this machine is!
The KDE panel along the bottom of the screen contains an icon for handling automatic updates - click on it and, after entering your root password, the Synaptic package manager launches (I didn't expect any updates so soon after launch, and I was right).
It's good to see Synaptic on board because it's probably the easiest way for those new to Linux to handle software installation.
And continuing that line of thought, I come to my major concern about Mepis, its menu structure and configuration tools.
Using a Linux system for basic, everyday tasks is fairly straightforward, but administering one - getting it configured and keeping it up-to-date, secure and stable - is another matter.
Mepis 8.0 doesn't help itself, or its user, by the way its muddled K menu presents the tools you require.
There are entries for System, Utilities and (KDE) Control Centre, each of which launch a multitude of utilities and configuration tools, then there is a separate section, entitled 'Actions', which contains Settings, Print System and Network Folders.
The main System folder links to, among other options, the various Mepis custom configuration tools: Network Assistant (works well but not as user-friendly as, say, Network Manager in Ubuntu); System Assistant (for repairing partitions, creating a USB key install etc); User Assistant (for repairing user settings, copying or syncing files and folders, adding or deleting users); and x_Windows Assistant (for copying your current xorg.conf, changing your screen dpi, managing your mouse and monitor and handling Nvidia or ATi drivers).
Add to that little lot all the things that KDE's native control centre does and you can see how a new user might start to feel confused and overwhelmed.
To be fair, this is not just a Mepis issue: It's the same for pretty much every distribution that uses pre-KDE4 setups, but that's no excuse for not putting a bit more thought into how you present the vital system tools to your user.
In other words, one single point of entry to everything that is needed to get/keep things working properly.
I mentioned earlier that Mepis 8.0 links to the huge Debian software repository, and while it comes with some good, contemporary software pre-installed - Firefox 3.0.6, OpenOffice 3.0, Amarok - there are quite a few that I would instantly replace for better options - KMail (Thunderbird/Claws), KMPlayer (VLC/Kaffeine), Kopete (Pidgin).
Mepis comes well-equipped to handle multimedia out-of-the-box. My usual review routine saw it playing MP3s, YouTube and Apple videos and BBC streams without any problems (BTW, check out the Apple trailer for Will Ferrell's latest film, Land Of The Lost - it looks a hoot!).
I did, however, have problems getting KMPlayer to play my commercial DVD, it returned a 'Xine not running' error each time I tried.
Another minor annoyance, given that I had correctly chosen my timezone during the install, was that the system clock was set to New York time - I'm in the UK - but this was easily fixed.
All the other routine stuff - sound, correct configuration of my display, networking - are handled beautifully well by Mepis, which makes these minor annoyances all the more puzzling.
That said, Mepis 8.0 is still a very strong distribution. Bearing in mind the few niggles I have pointed out, I doubt it is a distribution that a new user might take to immediately - even given the inclusion of that useful guide.
More experienced Linux users may well look past these minor issues and find a distribution with a great heritage that they can tailor to their own needs.
It won't let them down, that's for sure.

21 comments:
Hi Steve,and thank you for an enlightening review of Mepis 8.0. I have been a linux convert since November 2008 and found that Mepis was the easiest to install for a newbie like myself after trying at least eight of the top ranked distros.
Then I tried PCLinuxOS 2007. I found it very similar to Mepis in many respects but the one thing I believe it definately does better is configuration. The Control Centre brings all system, security, mounting, hardware, booting, share, network, etc., into one place which to access you require root permission. I understand the 2009 edition about to be released consolidates further upon this.
Mepis is still my second choice and with a repository over twice the size of PCLOS I think is difficult to beat but any newbie would never get past the issues you had, which is a shame because when your up and running it has pretty much all you need in a good distro.
I keep coming across your posts, mostly I think via tuxmachines.org and I always enjoy your comments.
Keep it up.
@ Phil Wadsworth - thanks for the kind words Phil, much appreciated.
I, too, have used PCLOS a lot in the past - for quite a long spell it was one of two distros I used the most and I agree with you, it's slightly better set up in terms of the way it handles sys admin etc.
If only PCLOS releases came around more frequently, I think more people would be drawn to it.
I hope my review of Mepis didn't come across as being too negative - I tried to make it clear at the end that I think it's still a very good distro, despite the few minor issues I raised; it's just that I feel there's a little work still to be done if the Mepis team are going to make it more than just another Debian offshoot in the same way that Crunchbang has become much more than just another Ubuntu offshoot (if you haven't tried Crunchbang yet, I heartily recommend it, BTW).
Hmmm...not sure why you had all those partitioning, but as a long-time user of
MEPIS, I have a hard-time blaming them
on MEPIS's installer. Every distro
I've ever tried has its distro-specific
tools such as installer and config
wizards, etc, etc, so I discount THOSE
entirely, as just 'learning-curve' issues.
What I LOVE about MEPIS is all the
pre-configured wifi-drivers, including
a BUNCH of win-drivers inside of ndiswrapper, right out-of-the-box
(i.e. on the LiveCD). Networking
is THE KEY component to have working,
as it's needed to get patched, etc!
[ONLY after I do that, do I try to
tackle optional sub-systems such
as sound and multi-media, etc etc.]
@ cookdav - Maybe you missed the bit at the beginning of my article, where I said I had used Mepis a lot in the past, so there's not really a learning curve for me, as such.
What I try to do when I review a distro is to approach it as would someone who is new to Linux in general and that distro in particular, and it's for that reason that I felt highlighting both the installer glitch (unusual, I'll admit) and the muddled approach to the Kmenu (not so unusal, sadly) where fair comments.
I'm unsure myself whether to blame the installer or the hardware for that partitioning glitch, but what I can say is that Granular installed without any major hiccups on the same machine recently.
I totally agree with you that Mepis's wireless networking in particular is very good - that's why I was pleased to mention the fact that it retained all my wi-fi settings from the live CD once I had rebooted into the installed system.
Anyway, thanks for reading and taking the trouble to comment - much appreciated.
I recently tried to get Mepis to work on a very similar machine (my Duron was 1200mhz), the main difference being that I had two drives, one I wanted to mount with / and one with /home and /swap (a 3GB and 4GB drive). I never did figure out how to get the installer to accept that set up. Finally gave up and put #! on it without any issues, probably a more appropriate distro for the hardware anyway. I'll give MEPIS another shot but initially was disappointed with this lack of flexibility in the install.
Hi Steve,
Good review, I plan to try the live cd to see for myself. But my comment is about the Land of the Lost trailer. Thank you for mentioning it. I used to love the
original version when I was a kid. And it brings good memories. It sure looks fun.
Luis Echevarria
Phoenix Arizona
I am perplexed about why you ran into those partition related issues when you installed SimplyMEPIS 8.0. I had nothing but success using it throughout the beta test, right through to the release.
Ironically enough, I tried installing Debian Lenny Version 5.0, and got the shock of my life when Lenny failed to detect an 80 GB Western Digital IDE drive.
Who's to say what causes these anomolies? I installed Lenny as easy as can be on a Gateway PA6A laptop, which, if anything, I thought may be more challenging than a Compaq/HP D530 desktop system, but maybe there is a pattern emerging here.
Most of the time I have very good results with just about any hardware, but I have had issues with an older Compaq Presario 5000 in the past, and I had issues with this desktop, which is, in reality, a Compaq model with the HP badge on it. Don't have any issues of any kind installing either Debian or MEPIS on anything else. Interestingly, I DO have MEPIS on this same D530. Go figure!
Hi Steven - thanks for a great review.
Just to reassure you - I've downloaded and installed both 32b and 64b. I installed each in a 10Gb virtual-box environment (to mimic your install). Both times the installer worked first time with no issues - so I'm guessing your issue could possibly have been hardware - or maybe even a bad burn. Anyway - we've had no reports of similar issue on the forums - so it doesn't appear to be a bug.
Thanks for highlighting the user manual too. It's really well written and perfect for introducing new users to linux.
Thought I'd just point out some things that often get missed. Warren's own tools (the Mepis Assistants) can be located under the System > Mepis directory. There are some great tools there including a GUI to install graphics drivers, and (my favourite) a live-usb-thumb drive creator. Basically makes a bootable usb thumb drive (similar to the live-cd), you can even create it from a live-cd environment. To save myself CD's, I always boot the new ISO in virtual-box, then use the Mepis System Assistant to create a bootable thumb drive, then use that for any installs etc. It's really good & much faster than a CD as well.
Well thanks again for the review. If you want to try something that makes your old rig really fly - try AntiX (a community remaster based on Mepis 8). Perfect for older hardware!
@ Luis - I'm not much of a Will Ferrell fan but Land Of The Lost does look hilarious - and my nine-year-old son loves dinosaurs, so that's my Saturday afternoon taken care of! Thanks for reading and commenting.
@ Brian Masinick - Thanks for commenting Brian. I've had the opposite experience to you - Debian Lenny 5.0 installed without a glitch! Anomalies like the ones we've both experienced are, thankfully for the community, increasingly rare and you may well be right in thinking it's a hardware glitch, but who knows? The odd thing is that the machine runs Mepis fine now!?
@ Brooko - I've tried (and reviewed on this blog) AntiX a couple of times and rate it really highly - I'm a huge minimalist/lightweight DE/WM fan (if that's not a contradiction?!).
Regarding Warren's Mepis-specific system tools, I did actually mention them all in the review, along with a (too) brief description of what they are for.
As far as Virtualbox is concerned, it's a tool I use a lot myself, but I took a conscious decision a while back not to use it as the basis for full reviews because I felt it didn't properly reflect the PC environment in which most users would be installing distributions ie. on living, breathing hardware, so to speak.
Anyway, thanks so much for reading and commenting - it's always genuinely appreciated and inspires me to keep pounding away at the old keyboard even when I'm getting a bit weary ;-)
Your review made me want to try Mepis.
The installation went fine. Then I encountered some glitches :
* at the 1st login after installation, KDE did not start properly (the usual KDE wizard seemed to hang), so I rebooted and the second time, KDE started OK (no wizard this time)
* setting my french keymap in the KDE control center was OK, but the KDM login screen still was using a default US keymap; I needed to create a custom xorg.conf with the proper keymap...
Also, the installation of the official nvidia graphics drivers does not work out of the box (gcc version complain). I haven't tried too hard to fix it, since xorg's "nv" driver appear to be fast enough for a desktop usage.
(the mepis x-window tool did not help)
Overall, a nice and easy to use distro despite the glitches :)
Howdy Steve. Thanks for the review. I've used Mepis off & on since 2005. One problem I've always had with Mepis (& a few other distros) is getting libdvdcss to work playing DVDs. I've also had a few other quirks, like VLC not working in Mepis. Overall, I like Mepis, so I'll keep trying it, but the libdvdcss issue has been a consistent problem in Mepis. My visit to Scotland a few years ago was lovely & I especially love Glasgow. Friendly people & my favorite accent in the world!
Cheers, Chad
Hello,
I am Bert from Holland. I have downloaded Mepis and cant use the wireless card. Therefore i can only use the wired interface to go to the internet. Which Linuxdistro can work with my Intersil Prism 2,5 Wavelan Wireless card? I hope that you can help me. With friendly greetings from Holland.
Bert Barten
@ Bert - Some extra information on what exactly happened would be helpful - was the card recognised in the network manager? If so, you should be able to use it. Was it an encryption problem? See what I mean? You need to give more details if you want a detailed answer - and a good place to start would be the Mepis forum.
Rather than going to all the trouble of installing a new distro, you should be able to get your wireless card going, especially if you can get online via a wired connection.
Have you tried using Ndiswrapper and the adaptor's Windows drivers? You will need the adaptor's original install disc for the drivers. There's a good guide on Ndiswrapper here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_Guide/
One of my machines has a Prism wifi chipset and, if memory serves me correctly, it worked fine with the latest version of Parsix, which is based on Debian Lenny, so any distro based on Debian Lenny is likely to have the same wireless modules built in to the kernel already.
And if all else fails, I recommend getting hold of a Sitecom WL311 USB wireless adaptor - they're dirt cheap and use the zd1211 chipset, modules for which have been in pretty much every distro I have tried in recent times.
Good luck, and thanks for reading my blog.
My Mepis works great, with no issues. The installation was also very easy.
Steven:
I had the same exact problems with partitioning as you did. Yours was the only article I could find on the web that addressed the issue, so I thought it was only me having the problem. Using GParted to manually create the three partitions worked for me also.
Thanks for the review. I hope someone at Mepis picks up on the problem, it's a great distro and well worth the effort to install.
I feel that Linux (no matter what distro or flavor) would be so much easier to sell to the Windowze public if "minor" bugs like this never happened. The average Windowze user doesn't have the inclination or the expertise to fix things like this and Ubuntu's "no audio/sound" problems. They just want to install and use.
Thanx again
Frank J. Boll
hi steve,i used to read your linux reviews and i like them too.Its very difficult to search your blog as i didn't see any search box and you have written a good collection of reviews.I am asking you a favour now.I want sidux 2009.2 review.it is a bleeding edge debian sid based distro.please write one......keep the good work....
it would be nice if you keep a search box in your blog.it would be nice if you redesign your blog.please make it simple and easy to access other details and apps in this blog.
@anonymous - I don't need to redesign the blog to include a search box because there's already one there - look at the top of the home page where there are search options, including one to 'Search This Blog' and that will take you straight to whatever you're looking for ;-)
hi steve what abt SIDUX LINUX 2009-2 REVIEW.....PLEASE do it ....i want to try it after knowing your opinion...
hi steve what abt SIDUX LINUX 2009-2 REVIEW.....PLEASE do it ....i want to try it after knowing your opinion...
I'll take a look at Sidux some time soon but there are some other things I need to do first. Thanks for your interest and kind words
Very good . I agree with your review
I am using Centos for server use.
Mint 7 and Open Suse 11 for development
And Mepis 8 as a kind of media Center.
I am using it with a avermedia usb dvb card .
And it works well because Kaffeine is a great program and it works well in a good kde environment
Forget kubuntu for example
I tried PclinuxOS which is better indeed
But there s no doc or it s very poor
So a good OS without doc , it s a bit like Micro---
To be very accurate, Lirc for the remote control that I use with Mepis works perfectly and I cannot manage the setting with kubuntu 9.10 neither with mint kde 7
Conclusion about MEPIS 8
So good Documentation
Stability of debian
No problem with restricted codecs
but interface messy ( I do regret mint
or suse for a normal use)
So for me its superior to PCLINUXOS because the doc is excellent, aknd you are not stuck
For development I will continue with mint and ubuntu
And from time to time with Suse
I dont care about KDE4 but please can you copy interface of suse kde or mint kde
And then it will a Ubuntu Killer
As I am also a netbook user, it s definitively a distro I WILL NOT install on a netbook
Cos of the distribution of the menu
Keep the good work Cheers
Fran
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